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Arijel5 Član
Broj poruka : 191 Datum upisa : 10.06.2008
| Naslov: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Uto Nov 24, 2009 7:11 pm | |
| Evo clanka u vezi autizma sa (btw najboljeg sajta za najnovije vesti i gomile informacija o zdravlju pa svima preporucujem da se prijave za besplatni newsletter www.naturalnews.com odlican sajt ) inace ovo je prica o zeni ciji je sin oboleo s 4 godine od autizma (tad mu je dijagnstoikovan) i otkrila laboratoriskim testovima da je njegov organizam kontanimiran velkikim dozama zive i ostalih teskih metala (zbog vakcina) i koristeci saznanja koje je dobila na ovom sajtu zapocela je prvo detoksikacijom da se oslobodi tih otrova azatim presla na zdrav nacin ishrane i uopste promenjen zdraviji nacin zivota.......i za 2 godine autizam je izlecen i dnas je sin odlican u skoli sportu itd....da ja e davim proicitajte P.S. Mozete skinuti i MP3 ovog razgovora inace ovo je samo delic clanka) You can download or listen to the full interview with Eleni at the NaturalNews podcast page: http://www.naturalnews.com/Index-Po... Eleni Prokopeas speaks out on vaccines and a cure for autism in NaturalNews interview
Monday, August 31, 2009 by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger Editor of NaturalNews.com (See all articles...) |
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NaturalNews) In a new online interview just posted, Eleni Prokopeas from "Green Diva Mom" ( www.GreenDivaMom.com) shares her story of vaccines causing autism in her son. As a healthy new mom, Eleni thought the health of her newborn son would be well protected, but after subjecting her son to a round of vaccines, the health of her son deteriorated to the point where he was eventually diagnosed as autistic. Spending thousands of dollars on lab tests, Eleni Prokopeas discovered that her newborn son was contaminated with trace amounts of heavy metals including mercury, which is used in the vaccine preservative Thimerosal. In this interview with Eleni Prokopeas, you'll learn how vaccine injections can expose some children to one hundred times the methyl mercury of other children, depending on how the medical practitioner prepares and administers the vaccines. Eleni also explains how she worked to try to reverse autism and restore normal neurological function to her son through chelation and dietary changes. There's a protocol for natural health restoration that's widely circulated in the community of parents who deal with autistic children. What worked for Eleni was a combination of detoxification and health restoration based on an organic, natural lifestyle. At age four, Eleni's son had a total vocabulary of only twenty words and was considerably impaired, but after the detox and dietary changes explained by Eleni, he experienced a full recovery -- a "cure" for autism. Today, many years later, Eleni's son is six years old. He excels in school and martial arts and is no longer identified as being "autistic." By any honest assessment, he has fully recovered from autism. Eleni is a long-time NaturalNews reader and used the information she learned on NaturalNews.com to help cure her son of autism. She used many of the products reviewed and recommended on NaturalNews (such as Jon Barron's detox products from BaselineNutritionals.com) and educated herself about natural health using the power of the internet. "Had I not intervened, my child would have been institutionalized," Eleni explained. Her natural health intervention saved her child from a life of autism and medical victimization. NaturalNews applauds Eleni Prokopeas for daring to save her child's health from a lifetime of vaccines and toxic chemicals pushed by Big Pharma. The depth of courage displayed by Eleni is a model for all empowered parents who seek to save their children from the harm caused by vaccines. You can download or listen to the full interview with Eleni at the NaturalNews podcast page: http://www.naturalnews.com/Index-Po...If you have an autistic child (or know anyone who does), you absolutely need to listen to this interview. It's free to download (MP3) and can be loaded onto any iPod or MP3 player for listening. (No DRM.) Also be sure to visit Eleni's increasingly popular website Green Diva Mom at www.GreenDivaMom.com where moms are joining the effort to protect healthy kids from the dangers of vaccines. Eleni has developed a 10 step protocol for dealing with autistic children. You can learn more about that protocol in the audio interview.
Poslednji put izmenio Arijel5 dana Sub Nov 28, 2009 3:38 pm, izmenio ukupno 3 puta | |
| | | anasana Urednik
Broj poruka : 2174 Godina : 45 Lokacija : Novi Beograd Datum upisa : 09.02.2009
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Sre Nov 25, 2009 9:35 am | |
| Sto znaci da sa pravilnom ishranom bi nestala i neka zanimanja, kao na primer mi defektolozi (to bi bila lepa zrtva) Za nas koji ne znamo engleski,bilo bi lepo kad bi bio prevod. | |
| | | Arijel5 Član
Broj poruka : 191 Datum upisa : 10.06.2008
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Sub Nov 28, 2009 2:31 pm | |
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Poslednji izmenio Arijel5 dana Sub Nov 28, 2009 3:42 pm, izmenjeno ukupno 1 puta | |
| | | Arijel5 Član
Broj poruka : 191 Datum upisa : 10.06.2008
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Sub Nov 28, 2009 2:35 pm | |
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Proslih godina sam slusala Jenny McCarthy u emisj od larry King-a kako prica o svom sinu Evanu koji je tada bio autitican i o vezi vakcina sa autozmpom i kkao se Evanovo stanje poboljaslo kad je iz ishrne izbacila gluten i mleko......u medjuvremenu primenom detoksikacije i promenom ishrn Evan je danas oporavljen od autisma....(ista prica kao i ona gore Eleni...)
Treatment: What's Biomedical Treatment?
| | Childhood Neurological Disorders (NDs) are typically diagnosed by professionals with psychology and psychiatry backgrounds. Parents are often told that their children's diagnosis is the result of genes and is psychological in nature. Typical "psychological" manifestations of these NDs in children may include delayed speech, lack of eye contact, impaired or non-present social skills, shyness, perseverative behavior (doing the same thing repeatedly), delayed gross or fine motor skills, sensory integration issues (sound and touch sensitivity, etc.), not responding to one's name, inflexibility with transitions, and major, often unexplained, changes in mood. | | Yet, the physical or medical issues that our children often share are rarely noted or discussed. Typical physical manifestations of children with NDs may include food allergies and eczema, general gastrointestinal distress, constipation and diarrhea, yeast overgrowth, immune system disregulation, and sleep disturbances. Typically, proper testing would also reveal high levels of environmental toxins relative to neurotypical children. | | What has happened to our children? We believe our children's bodies are overwhelmed by a combination of heavy metals (mercury, lead aluminum), live viruses (particular from their vaccines), and bacteria. These toxins serve to slow or shut down normal biochemical pathways in the body and lead to the physical and mental manifestations we call NDs. Perhaps the best description of what happens to our children that we have read is Autism: A Twisted Tale of Virus and Thimerosal, by Dr. Amy Yasko. | | Biomedical intervention for NDs is based on the belief that the psychological symptoms of NDs are a product of the physical issues the child is experiencing and that addressing the physical issues will lead to an improvement in those psychological symptoms. (We were very pleased to read the recent Cover Story in Discover Magazine that clearly spells out that autism is "not just in the head" but may actually originate in the gut and from environmental toxins.) | | The following is our best attempt to get you started on the path to healing your child. This is not medical advice. It is the opinion of parents, not doctors. The most important thing you can do as a parent is find a qualified physician to help you treat your child. All that is written here is for informational purposes only. | | The ultimate goal of biomedical treatment is to remove environmental toxins from your child's body and repair the damage that has been done. Today, there are a bewildering array of potential treatment modalities for parents to follow. Some of the most popular include: | |
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The "DAN! Protocol". The DAN! Protocol is not a clear and explicit protocol, per se, but rather a general approach to treating children that is being followed by a group of Doctors known as DAN!, or Defeat Autism Now!, Doctors. The best book to get a background in the DAN! approach is the book Children with Starving Brains, written by Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D., a DAN! Doctor. A complete list of DAN! Doctors is available here. DAN! is sponsored by the Autism Research Institute and DAN Conferences are held for parents twice a year. Yahoo discussion groups that include many parents working with DAN! Doctors include ChelatingKids2 and ABMD. |
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The "Cutler Protocol". Andy Cutler is a scientist who developed a protocol for removing heavy metals from the body. His protocol is detailed in his book, Amalgam Illness, and through the Yahoo discussion group Autism-Mercury. Note that many of the parents using the Cutler Protocol to remove toxins from their child’s body are also using a DAN! Doctor and many of the Dan! approaches to treatment. |
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Dr. Amy Yasko. Dr. Yasko's approach to treating children with NDs has many similarities to DAN!, but focuses treatment on the specific genes of the child, providing a roadmap that some parents believe is more customized. Her approach is also more focused on the removal of viruses and bacteria from the child's body. Learn more through her website, Holistic Health, her parent discussion group, and her book, The Puzzle of Autism: Putting it all Together. |
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Michael Lang's Natural Detoxification Program. Michael Lang is the founder of Brainchild Nutritionals, a supplement company serving children with NDs. Recently, he published a helpful guide with his own recommendations for how to detoxify a child with an ND safely and effectively. |
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Methyl B12 and Valtrex. A number of parents have experienced particular success using a combination of Methyl B12 (a vitamin) and Valtrex (a prescription drug that suppresses viruses). This approach has been spelled out by a parent who recovered his son from autism, Stan Kurtz. His discussion group dedicated to discussing this approach can be found here: mb12valtrex. |
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Homeopathy. Many parents report great results using homeopathy, the best description of which is available in the book by a parent, The Impossible Cure. Also, check out this discussion group run by the Homeopathy Center of Houston serving children with NDs. |
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Most parents employ some combination of the above approaches in treating their child. It can be frustrating for a new parent to realize how varied the treatment approaches can be, which is why it's critical to find a Doctor to work closely with to find the right approach for your child. Reading about biomedical treatments for NDs is very overwhelming and it is helpful to keep the "Big Picture" in mind. The four most important things you can do to help heal your child are: |
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Bring the toxin load down |
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Help the gut heal |
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Get the nutrients up |
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Get the metals and other toxins out |
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Bring the toxin load down. Toxins are anything that creates stress on the body because they are challenging for the body to excrete. Unfortunately, we have not evolved as human beings fast enough with all the toxins we are now putting into our environment. This is particularly true for children, and more true for children suffering from heavy metal poisoning. The following list is representative of the things you can do to bring the toxic load of your child down. No parent is able to do everything on this list. No parent is able to make a lot of changes overnight. We encourage you to work with your Doctor to see which one of these make the most sense for your child. |
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Remove casein (dairy) and gluten (wheat) from the diet. Much has been written about the "GF/CF" diet. Our experience is that this diet tends to benefit most children. The simple explanation is that wheat and dairy proteins are very hard for the body to digest, often permeate the gut of children with environmental toxicity, get into the bloodstream where they do not belong, and serve as a neurotoxin creating "brain fog". Most parents see faster results when they remove dairy. If this feels daunting, perhaps experiment with dairy removal first and see if you see any changes in your child. Removing dairy will not deplete your child of nutrition, particularly if you follow the guidelines under Step 3. |
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Remove other food allergens from the diet. The most common allergens are dairy, wheat, soy, eggs, and corn. Most children who are sensitive to dairy are sensitive to soy. (Use rice milk as a milk substitute, not soy milk). An ELISA blood test measuring IgE and IgG anti-bodies will help you determine your child’s food sensitivities. |
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Get rid of bad food and sugar. Trans fatty acids (anything with the word "hydrogenated" in it), artificial colors, artificial flavors, artificial preservatives, nitrates (in hot dogs), and aspartame (Nutrasweet) all add stress to the body. We highly recommend you switch to only natural and organic foods and try to limit sweets as much as possible. |
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Remove conventional household cleaners. There is a natural version of every household cleaner you own available at Whole Foods or other natural food stores. Conventional cleaners like 409, Ajax, etc. are filled with toxins that your children injest and have to process. Natural cleaners are significantly less toxic. |
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Add a HEPA air filter to your child's room. This will help keep toxins in your house down. |
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Cook to keep toxins down. Cook only on stainless steel (non-stick pans have aluminum). Don’t cook on or with aluminum foil. Never microwave plastic (it leeches into the food). |
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If your child needs dental work, never use "silver" fillings, as they contain mercury. If your child has mercury fillings, get them removed with a mercury-free dentist. A list by state is available at www.iaomt.org. |
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If your child needs a vaccination, ensure they are Thimerosal-free. Read more about vaccinations in our section titled On Vaccinations. |
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Don't renovate while you live at home. A renovation project in the middle of trying to reduce the toxic load will put a lot of stress on your child's body. New paints, new carpets, and sealants all produce Volatile Organic Compounds that are very hard for the body to process. |
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Use fluoride-free toothpaste. Flouride is a potent neuro-toxin. Natural toothpastes will do an effective job at preventing tooth decay without being poisonous. There's a reason fluoride toothpaste has to say on the label "contact poison control" if swallowed (see for yourself). |
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Help the gut heal. Environmental illness typically causes gastrointestinal distress and food sensitivities. When the gastrointestinal system is compromised, the immune system suffers as well. Some of the ways to help the gut heal include: |
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Removal of Food Allergens. Per the above, gluten and casein seem to be the most common allergens. |
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Cod Liver Oil. Cod liver oil is a critical supplement for that provides much needed Vitamin A and also helps to heal the sensitive walls of the intestine. |
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Probiotics. Probiotics are natural supplements that provide the stomach with "good" gut flora. |
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Digestive Enzymes. Digestive enzymes assist the body in breaking down foods, which can help eliminate large proteins gaining access to the blood stream. |
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Colostrum. Colostrum is a natural supplement that provides many gut-healing and immune-system boosting properties. |
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Get the nutrients up. A broad vitamin and mineral supplement is critical for restoring health. Minerals are particularly important because many toxins like mercury directly impact mineral transport within the body. Zinc, Selenium, and Magnesium are particularly important for restorative health. Also, the use of certain chelating agents may deplete minerals which means the build-up of mineral levels in advance of chelation or other forms of detoxification is very important. Your doctor will work with you to design a nutrient plan tailored to your child's unique biochemistry. |
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Get the toxins out. Detoxification is critical to restoring your child to proper health. Some of the more popular forms of detoxification include: |
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Chelation. Chelation requires the care of a qualified doctor and involves using a prescription chelating agent in an oral or transdermal form. The most popular chelating agents include DMSA, DMPS, and EDTA. Please note that EDTA can be purchased without a prescription. A popular form of EDTA is in a suppository, made by Detoxamin. |
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Natural detoxifiers. There are a number of natural products for removing heavy metals and other toxins including Natural Cellular Defense, PCA-Rx, and NDF Plus. There are parent discussion groups online for parents using both Natural Cellular Defense here and NDF Plus here. Anecdotally, we have heard of parents who have had great success with these products and there are some doctors who use one or more of these products within their own treatment protocol. |
| | Please visit our Action Plan for more specific recommendations on getting started. |
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| | | Arijel5 Član
Broj poruka : 191 Datum upisa : 10.06.2008
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Sub Nov 28, 2009 3:29 pm | |
| - anasana ::
- Sto znaci da sa pravilnom ishranom bi nestala i neka zanimanja, kao na primer mi defektolozi (to bi bila lepa zrtva)
Za nas koji ne znamo engleski,bilo bi lepo kad bi bio prevod. Ako stignem prevescu ali u sustini se svodi na ono sto sam npisala, tek posle 2 godine detetu su uradili laboratoriski test i test je pokazao trovanje zivom (koja e korisi kao konzervativ u vakcinama ) i ostalim teskimmetalima, i po loici Eleni je pocela sa detoksikacijom promenom ishrane....... Pre rimo 2 godine sam gledala Jenny McCarthy u emisiji Larry King-a kako prica o svom sinu Evanu koji je tad bio autistican i kako mi je promena ishrane i jos drugi tretmani pomogli i da se dosta stanje poboljsalo (ali tAd nije bio jos uvek izlecen) a evo novog intervjua sa Jenny i Jim Carry-e,m o tome kako je u medjuvremenu Evan izlecen od autisma pomocu biomedicnskog tretmana (detoksikacija, ishrana....to mozete procitati na Jenny-nom sajtu http://www.generationrescue.org/biomedical.html) evo lnkova za intervju s Larry King-om (iz 3 dela) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPDDzwhu--s&feature=related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My8fQil923Q&feature=related (ovde n pocetku mozete videti Evna sad kad j izlecen kako normalno kominicira smeje se igra...prelepo) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81Thh81R1R4&feature=related | |
| | | hana-banana Član
Broj poruka : 81 Godina : 48 Lokacija : Toronto Datum upisa : 14.11.2007
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Sub Nov 28, 2009 3:52 pm | |
| Autizam se trenutno ne moze izlijeciti jer lijek nije pronadjen, a ovo o cemu se ovde prica je samo "symptom management" i to u vrlo uskoj sub-populaciji osoba koje boluju od autizma ili blazeg oblika, Aspergerovog sindroma. Ovakve bombasticne izjave donose vise stete nego koristi jer se hiljade i hiljade roditelja ponada da je bas to taj tretman koji ce "izlijeciti" njihovo dijete, napraviti ga "normalnim" i gorko se razocaraju kada vide da tretman ima mali ili nikakav ucinak. Za sina od Jenny McCarthy ti sigurno mogu reci da nije izlijecen - em, kao sto rekoh, lijeka nazalost nema, em je poznanica iz Geneva Center for Autism u Torontu radila sa malim Evanom i kaze da su se neke manifestacije simptoma ublazile, ali da je dijete daleko od izlijecenog. Ja bih najvise voljela da jednog dana budem prinudjena da se prekvalifikujem, ali nazalost, stvar je puno kompleksnija od nevakcinacije i detoksikacije. Normalno, podrzavamo mi i to, ali to nije sve. | |
| | | Arijel5 Član
Broj poruka : 191 Datum upisa : 10.06.2008
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Sub Nov 28, 2009 4:38 pm | |
| - hana-banana ::
- Autizam se trenutno ne moze izlijeciti jer lijek nije pronadjen, a ovo o cemu se ovde prica je samo "symptom management" i to u vrlo uskoj sub-populaciji osoba koje boluju od autizma ili blazeg oblika, Aspergerovog sindroma.
Ovakve bombasticne izjave donose vise stete nego koristi jer se hiljade i hiljade roditelja ponada da je bas to taj tretman koji ce "izlijeciti" njihovo dijete, napraviti ga "normalnim" i gorko se razocaraju kada vide da tretman ima mali ili nikakav ucinak. Za sina od Jenny McCarthy ti sigurno mogu reci da nije izlijecen - em, kao sto rekoh, lijeka nazalost nema, em je poznanica iz Geneva Center for Autism u Torontu radila sa malim Evanom i kaze da su se neke manifestacije simptoma ublazile, ali da je dijete daleko od izlijecenog.
Ja bih najvise voljela da jednog dana budem prinudjena da se prekvalifikujem, ali nazalost, stvar je puno kompleksnija od nevakcinacije i detoksikacije. Normalno, podrzavamo mi i to, ali to nije sve. Cak i da je tako, tj da su samo neki simtomi ublazil kod Evana i dalje je neveroovatna promena od deteta koje nije pricalo, ni upostavljalo kontakt ocima, vristalo, nije pokaaivalo emocije, ko mali robot pa do deteta koje normalno prica pokazuje emocije.... | |
| | | Marijanči novi član
Broj poruka : 58 Datum upisa : 22.10.2009
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Sub Nov 28, 2009 5:41 pm | |
| ali je napredovalo i to je nešto jer trenutna farmacija ne nudi niti toliko ako je došlo do zatrovanja tijela, logično je detoxirati ga no neki otrovi očito naprave trajnu štetu, pa možda puno izlječenje nije moguće hana-banana , da te pitam, da li bi ti bilo svejedno da : a) ne hodaš b) hodaš sa štakama i u oba dva slučaja ti ostaje dijagnoza: nesposobnost samostalnog hodanja | |
| | | hana-banana Član
Broj poruka : 81 Godina : 48 Lokacija : Toronto Datum upisa : 14.11.2007
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Sub Nov 28, 2009 6:14 pm | |
| Da vam kazem, nemam namjeru upustati se u retoricke rasprave i hipoteticka scenarija. Vec sam rekla da ljudi koji rade u ovom polju objerucke prihvataju sve sto bi moglo iole pomoci osobama sa autizmom, ali pazite da ne skacete od toga do zakljucka da je pronadjen lijek za autizam, to je vec sarlatanstvo. Pozdrav! | |
| | | Marijanči novi član
Broj poruka : 58 Datum upisa : 22.10.2009
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Sub Nov 28, 2009 6:17 pm | |
| mislim da objeručke prihvaćaju ono šta može financirati istraživanja tj. izum novog farmaceutskog lijeka a ne neke tamo obične namirnice, od kojih nitko ne može zaraditi i sačuvaj-te-bože reč išta kontra cjepljenja | |
| | | hana-banana Član
Broj poruka : 81 Godina : 48 Lokacija : Toronto Datum upisa : 14.11.2007
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Sub Nov 28, 2009 6:24 pm | |
| Nisi u pravu i zao mi je sto imas tako pogresnu sliku o ljudima koji rade sa osobama sa posebnim potrebama. | |
| | | dmitras the Expert
Broj poruka : 713 Lokacija : Nebitna. Datum upisa : 26.10.2009
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Ned Nov 29, 2009 7:21 am | |
| Pre nekoliko sedmica je na B92 (čini mi se) bila emisija o majkama u Srbiji koje tako pokušavaju da leče svoju decu. U tome im pomaže i jedna doktorka, mislim da radi u Beogradu. veoma racionalan pristup i ima efekta. Kažu da posle puberteta deca mogu da nastave da se htane kako žele. | |
| | | Marijanči novi član
Broj poruka : 58 Datum upisa : 22.10.2009
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Ned Nov 29, 2009 9:22 am | |
| - hana-banana ::
- Nisi u pravu i zao mi je sto imas tako pogresnu sliku o ljudima koji rade sa osobama sa posebnim potrebama.
ne govorim o tim ljudima govorim o većim zvjerkama: oni koji daju zeleno svjetlo za neko istraživanje a to su obično farmaceutske kompanije, koje neće investirati u istraživanje koje bi potvrdilo da detoksikacija sa obićnim namirnicama pomaže u liječenju ili uvelike smanjuju smiptome bolesti. jer im je ta investicija neisplativa njima treba sintetski lijek, i u takva istraživanja ulažu pare: da dobiju lijek kojeg će moći registrirati i prodati i tu ti je glavni problem nema tko investirati u skupo istraživanje kojim bi se dokazao učinak detoxikacije na testnim skupinama uz prateću placebo skupinu | |
| | | anasana Urednik
Broj poruka : 2174 Godina : 45 Lokacija : Novi Beograd Datum upisa : 09.02.2009
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Ned Nov 29, 2009 2:47 pm | |
| - Citat :
- Vec sam rekla da ljudi koji rade u ovom polju objerucke prihvataju sve sto bi moglo iole pomoci osobama sa autizmom,
Za sada sam samo volontirala po raznim organizacijama,ali ne sa autisticnom decom ili sa cerebralcima-telesnim invalidima (sto mi je po stuci). I iskreno osecam se kao da sam Sizif koji gura bezuspesno kamen uz brdo. Svi defektolozi pocevsi od nasih profesora sa fakulteta, pa nadalje imaju 1 prilicno pesimistican stav: dete je takvo kakvo je i nema sanse da bude bolje, vec samo da se odrzavaju preostale sposobnosti i funkcije koje nisu ostecene. Ovo sto je Arijel5 iznela mnogo mi se vise dopada jer siri optimizam (dosta mi je pesimizma)!!! | |
| | | brokolica vege majstor
Broj poruka : 215 Lokacija : Srbija hobi : salsa Datum upisa : 10.06.2009
| Naslov: Re: Autizam - Izlecen ishranom Ned Nov 29, 2009 5:42 pm | |
| ja bas i nisam stekla utisak da nasi profesori imaju takav stav.....bar nama niko nije nesto tako rekao.... jer cemu onda defektolog.... | |
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